Decision ‘08

Top Ten Kos Kidz Reactions to Today’s Elections In Iraq

Okay, folks, let’s jump right in:

Number Ten.
…[I]t’s precisely what BushCo is trying to do. Distract us from the violence and the
deaths, of both U.S. and coalition forces and the Iraqi people, by staging
these elections and giving us these photo ops.

Number Nine:
I won’t believe the numbers anyway. After the last election took 3 weeks
to finalise the votes, I didn’t trust those results either.

Earlier this week, on Air America, I heard about a truck of ballots being intercepted on
it’s [sic] way from Iran. With Iran & the U.S. both wanting a desired
outcome, I don’t think it matters what the Iraqis want. Either Iran or the U.S. is going to win this election, votes be damned.

Number Eight:
I want to know if Diebold had machines set up to count the votes.

Number Seven:
The paradigm I operate under is that the forces Bush has
marshaled to allow him to use my money to terrorize a foreign population and
get American soldiers killed and maimed are the exact same ones which are
staging the election and will oversee not only the results but the actions of
the elected.

Number Six:
If the Iraqis are successful in their democratic endeavor,
perhaps they could send consultants to Ohio and Florida.

Number
Five:
more iraqis are voting than americans voted in the last pres
election

stupid f***ing
americans

good for the
iraqis

maybe america needs a good and bloody civil war to remember what democracy is about

Number
Four:
I don’t believe a f***ing word of what the New York Times
tells me about election day in Iraq.

Remember
last time? The anecdotes of people walking miles to get to the polls? Reports
of unexpectedly high Sunni turnout? The dawn of democracy?

Remember the
Repugs pointing to those reports and waving purple fingers at us?

Lies and
propaganda, in the mold of Judith Miller.

Number Three:
This is just theater. All completely meaningless, and woe
to the suckers who buy into this BS.

These elections are nothing more than a prop for the bush thugs. No election
that was initiated, designed, engineered, and carried out by a foreign
occupation power has any legitimacy, here or elsewhere. None. Period.

If Uzbekistan invaded the US, toppled the government, installed its hand-picked puppets, then ran through the motions of several rounds of voting, would the regime that resulted have any legitimacy whatsoever? Of course not. It would be laughed at.

This so-called election is utter bullsh**, nothing more than photo ops and PR props.

Number Two:
Has any reporter asked anyone in the administration [sic] why the f*** Iraq has had even 1 election if the country can’t even employ 60% of the people?! If 50 people are dying a day. Can’t [sic] one a**hole just ask the f***ing question?!?

Number One:
I had a realization today while driving to work listening to all the talking heads blather on about Iraqis voting.

I. DON’T.
GIVE. A. SH**. ABOUT. THIS.

Was it worth half a trillion of our (children’s) wealth and 2140 of our young people? 30,000 to 100,000 civilian "collateral damage"?

F NO.

NOTE: Those of you who think I am shooting fish in a barrel with this occasional feature: you’re right. Those who think I use it to tar all liberals: you’re wrong. There is one particular species known as the ‘progressive’ that I am taking aim at.

UPDATE 3:12 p.m.: Yay! Malkin-alanche…thanks, Michelle, for the link…My thanks also to Betsy Newmark and Jeff Goldstein…and a special thanks to Hugh Hewitt! My first link from the distinguished gentleman…and a thank you to the Political Teen and Bill Quick…and a big shout-out to Lorie Byrd and Howie at My Pet Jawa for the links, as well…

UPDATE 2 12/16/05 6:48 a.m.: Thanks to John Hawkins and the USS Neverdock for the links, also…Judith Weiss suggests that we give the Kos Kidz a cluepon - I couldn’t agree more…

96 Responses to “Top Ten Kos Kidz Reactions to Today’s Elections In Iraq”

1 Dennis Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 4:02 pm
I really don’t understand this kind of perpetual, preening cynicism. It’s naivete tarted up as worldliness. I mean, maybe you indulge in it when you’re 18 and you don’t know anything, so you pretend you know everything. But you know, there’s a time to put away childish things…
2 Mark Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 4:13 pm
Indeed…can’t even wait until the ballots are counted to start harping…
3 Shannon Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 4:16 pm
Well, we don’t know how old those people are making those assertions. I was pretty stupid in my 20’s, grew up in my 30’s and am in 40’s now.

One thing is for sure. Once they have settled on some fixed idea on how things were or are, they are really good at continuing the spin to support it.
4 David Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 4:25 pm
Have to log into Democrat Underware tonight and see what the progressive libs are screaming about now that these elections have taken place. This should be a riot
5 Gwedd Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 4:27 pm
Comrades,
I especially like #6. It just never seems to register with them that all of the areas in Florida and Ohio where alledged “irregularities” occured were run by Democrats….. Oh well.
I am still waiting for the moonbats and the tinfoil-hat brigades to start tying this all in with Freemasons. It seems that would be their next logical target:)

Respects,
Gwedd
6 tsmith Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 4:29 pm
Are you serious or is this just satire?You need some serious mental help. Please do bring on a civil war, the Red states would kick the Blue states butt hands down! Remember were the white racist nut cakes with all the guns, DUDE!
7 Brian Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 4:33 pm
Wow, if the KOS kids are that upset with democracy in Iraq…imagine how pissed they are about Kosovo? Seven years later, boots still on the ground and STILL no exit strategy in sight! Can we impeach that liar Clinton again?
8 Bill Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 4:41 pm
Typical response - “I don’t like the message therefore I don’t believe the message. Filth Filth Foul.” I’m not seriously worried about these people because they’re not serious people. The guy thinking on his way to work was probably on his way to his career in lawn maintenence or food service. Not that dishwashers don’t have a right to their opinions but lets face, they’re not opinion leaders. Nobody asks their waiter what they think about global politics. We’ve always had crazies and we always will. The internet just makes it easier to hear what the nut-jobs are actually saying. “Woe to the suckers..”? Who talks like that?
9 steevil (Dr Weevil's bro Steve) Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 4:43 pm
Re: number one–Kos Kidz have jobs?
10 Mark Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 4:49 pm
I pity the suckers…
11 The Fastest Squirrel Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 4:49 pm
Heh.
12 The Political Pit Bull Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 4:59 pm
A Word to the Wise

Why am I listening to Wesley Clark on FOX News being a pessimistic S.O.B. about the election in Iraq???
Seriously, …
13 Iowa Voice Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Iraqi Election Update

It appears as though the Iraqi elections were a stunning success:

Up to 15 million Iraqis � including large numbers of Sunnis, who boycotted the January elections � voted in historic parliamentary elections Thursday to establish a permanent democr…
14 aweller Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 5:11 pm
Number 3 has to be made up - come on - no one could be quite that ……….misguided, could they?
15 Duke of DeLand Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 5:21 pm
Illuminati….be still!
The demons of the irregulars are here and not silent!

Duke
16 Ron Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 5:23 pm
2nd to Shannon’s motion. The Kos Kids are functional idiots, regardless of their respective IQ’s, education, or ages. I was one of them once in another life - went temporarily insane following my own Viet Nam experience (nothing heavy at all - was not a trigger-pulling grunt). Most of the Kos Kids comments are tame compared to what I had to say about that war and Nixon at the time. The sainted Ronald Reagan, bless his heart, restored my sanity.

Much of what the KK’s say can be chalked up to the stupidity of youth. Some of them will grow out of it.
17 dmac Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 5:25 pm
I don’t think those reactions are out of place at all on that site. Once (a long time ago) I attempted to get into a discussion with a few of the commenters, and was immediately flamed and then banned. Quite a little circle
j-rk they’ve got going on over there.
18 A Christian Prophet Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 5:27 pm
The Holy Spirit’s message on The Christian Prophet blog today, teaching as it always does, goes into the feelings Iraqi voters are feeling as they begin to take personal responsibility for their lives.
19 docdave Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 5:33 pm
Typical moonbat response: Whaaaa, I want the Iraqi war to fail and now you’ve spoiled it by having this successful election!! Whaaaa!!!
20 megapotamus Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Why is every Progressive I meet a raging reactionary? A puzzlement.
21 Tim Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 5:38 pm
As a mostly-liberal (I want a wall on the mexican border), I appreciate your distinction between the “progressives” and unreasonable kids, and those of us who are more reasonable.

It is a great day in Iraq.
22 Travis Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 5:46 pm
Number five reflects a good number of Moonbats I’ve been hearing. My question however is this: If there’s a civil war in America, how do the Moonbats expect to win? Where are they going to get their army or even their guns? They will however have a good supply of white flags…and they’re going to need them in short order.
23 Mark Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 5:59 pm
Tim, it’s an important distinction, and we try not to paint with too broad a brush around here (not always successfully, but we do try)…
24 Prof James D Havicus Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 6:05 pm
I have pioneered totally wireless media pods in my community, but - have you considered the complications of bounce-back noise inherent in the technology. There are a number of 3rd party devices that utilize xxMPp technology so one can model and extrapolate further bounce-back and beam-through noise so you can better position components or configure living arrangements. Or you could drop the UWB from the chipsets entirely and jump straight ahead to UMMx. Fewer bounce-backs and beam-throughs but higher radiation levels which may prove unsafe over longer periods of time.
25 Brad R. Torgersen Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 6:06 pm
I agree with Dennis. The extreme cynicism being displayed by certain liberals where the Iraqi elections are concerned, borders on sophomoric. Are there no responsible liberals (besides Christopher Hitchens) who will stand up and acknowledge that something wonderful is happening in Iraq? Why is hating Bush and everything he has ever done more important than supporting democracy in a land where once there was none? Has your average liberal given up on democracy in order to dwell within a cave of rank nihilism wherein Iraqis voting is dismissed with the upturn of a nose and a wave of the hand? Sad. This is exactly why I had to give up pretending to be a Lefty when 9/11 happened. The general liberal reaction to 9/11 and everything that has followed since has shown me that leftists no longer have a positive vision for the future. They have become hate machines.
26 Mark Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 6:07 pm
Ummm…ok, Professor…thanks for the update on the chipsets…
27 mike Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 6:14 pm
are the dems suduced by the devil? lets see: support tookie, condem shivo. aginst death penalty for the worst murderers(1000 killed since 1979), support abortion (30 million killed since 1979).support terrorists rights, dont support victums rights with tougher laws.the support dictators like sadam and fidel but hate elected american officials if thier not thier party.THIS IS THE PARTY OF DEATH!! THEY MAKE ME PHISICALLY ILL.
28 Cindy Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 6:47 pm
So sad to see the these dems choking on their own vomit.
29 Kaote Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 6:48 pm
DailyKos is home to the most pessimistic people on the planet. I don’t like George W. Bush that much but I can get past my dislike for the guy and applaud the Iraqis and their move towards freedom and democracy.
30 mike Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 7:09 pm
What no comments on my party of death remarks? Why it suprises u guys that libs make fun of freedom is beyond me. I stoped assuming liberals have good intentions but are just misguided a long time ago.These people defend terrorists,murderers,dictators,child rapists,and all godless commies.They use the deaths of our troops as propaganda to help thier antiwar stance.THEY ARE THE BLAME AMERICA 1ST CROWD.They belive we are the foucus of evil in the world, so anything bad for america make them feel good.This goes pessimism or ignorance these people are sick!!
31 mike Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 7:10 pm
last sentence was supposed to read : this goes beyond pessimism or ignorance these people are sick!!
32 John Blake Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 7:19 pm
Would a little humility, a tiny dose of generous spirit, be that amiss with Kos? One thinks back on our own Revolution, indeed our Civil War, with a cringing anxiety– would I myself have stood forth in righteous and good cause? We see the Iraqi people, crushed by dictatorship, mangled by cynical indifference, dismembered by vicious sectarian dogmas: Arise, seek the light, learn to live again! Of course it will take decades, generations, but liberation is a seminal development. We admire your stand against terrorism, and more importantly against the swamps wherein these reptiles dwell… only persist in Democracy’s endeavor, value others as yourselves, you cannot regress to “previous conditions of servitude”. This is terribly exciting, wonderful! C’mon, Kos: Have one on me, for auld lang sang! Strike a blow for Liberty! THis is not partisanship, politics-by-any-other-name.
Hooray for our brave Forces! Hurrah for Victory over tyranny and oppression! Hip, hip: HURRAY! [Cool, it, will ya? But I just can’t.] God Bless America– God bless us, every one.
33 Muffin the cat Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 7:23 pm
Dumber than tree bark. Please do not refer to these people as “liberals”. They are not even close. Nor are they “progressives”. They are ultra left wing dictatorial extremely closed minded totalitarian fascists thugs.
34 Don Dixon Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 7:44 pm
I once believed that “progressives” were well-intentioned idiots. I’m ready to admit to being half-wrong about that.
35 Super Fun Power Hour Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 7:44 pm
kOS Kidz Hate Democracy

Check out the “Top 10 Reactions to the Iraqi elections” compiled by Decision ‘08 from kOS posts…Update: (Via LGF) proteinwisdom has another round up of
36 The Ace Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 7:58 pm
The moron who posted #3 would be utterly shocked to learn about how Japanese democracy came about.

Continued proof their political opinions are formed by ignorance.
37 Viking Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 8:08 pm
They call themselves Progressive Liberals. Until the age of blog and Airhead America, they were mostly radio listening loons listening to local stations like KPFK Pacifica Radio here in LA. But with the blog’s feedback and opinion development they have developed a more unifying voice. Add to that the exclusivity noted above (getting banned if you disagree) and you get the echo chamber feeding itself.

I run into these loon daily here in Los Angeles. In the tv world, it’s almost a given that you are a liberal, and some are of this kind at KOS. In fact, finding out that you are a conservative is met with polite smiles and a sudden rememberance that ‘I’ve got a meeting to go to’.

To them it’s not just a viewpoint. They believe they are morally right…on SS, on taxes, on everything. So if you oppose them on say SS reform, you don’t care about old people and you are immoral.

Don’t agree with schools and support school vouchers? You hate children and are immoral.

This goes on. And as long as the John Kerry’s and Tom Dachles of the political world catger to these loons for their vote, they will lose most of the time.
38 richard mcenroe Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 8:18 pm
This is gold.

EVERYONE should be able to see what these maggots are saying when they think no one is listening…
39 5thColumnCure Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 8:32 pm
“maybe america needs a good and bloody civil war to remember what democracy is about” Number Five

Maybe it does. Light the fuse already Turdly, and then see what happens.
40 benR Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 8:52 pm
Regarding the idea that only conservatives have guns: It’s not true at all. I work in the Seattle area, and LOTS of Liberals up here own guns. They may give different reasons such as distrust of the government, for target shooting, fear of the stupid masses, etc. but they certainly have guns.
41 Clint Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 9:00 pm
Kids. They’ll grow out of it.

I find myself almost agreeing with the sentiments of Number 5.

Number 4 starts off so well…
… and ends making me feel sorry for Judith Miller — she’s discredited with both sides. We’ll always remember her for her role in the Plame affair, and the “Progressives” will remember her for something to do with the run-up to the War.

Someone already nailed Number 3 on the Japan example.

Number 2 seems fairly innumerate — by my quick back-of-the-envelope calculation about 10,000 people die every day in America. Until we conquer aging, that’s going to continue to be true. I guess we should just give up on ever holding another election.

And finally, hard to believe that Number 1 paid or will pay a significant part of that half trillion, or knows anyone who’s served in the military.

Last thought… Number 7 is John Kerry, isn’t he??
42 AcademicElephant Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 9:14 pm
Clint–I fear it gets worse as they age.

What always amazes me is how resolutely miserable this particular group are. Here 10 million + people have bravely embraced democracy and they’re…bitter and enraged? They would be somewhat less wretched if Saddam Hussein were still in power, just as long as it made George Bush look bad.

Sure, it’s comical in a train wreck sort of way, but what a way to live!
43 bill Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 9:50 pm
I saw a picture of the Save Tookie crowd at San Quentin and they’re the same dysfunctional,delusional rabble as post on KOS and DU.About five minutes there is all any semi-literate person with a grain of common sense could stand.
What a joke..a civil war.Groucho Marx and the army of the Republic of Freedonia had a better chance than these fleabags.I wish we could trade all of them for a few brave Iraqi Kurds.What a wonderful day for freedom!Deal with it leftist skunks!
44 MY Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 10:04 pm
F.O.A.D., Moonbats!

You know, I can understand perfectly what Crazy Howie Dean meant when he said he hated everything Republicans stand for. Because if you take that and add a healthy dose of disgust and derision, that’s what I think about the Left. GROW THE HELL…
45 Rick Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 10:10 pm
I’m not sure people are being fair with #5. The first thing I thought when I read it is that a conservative comment had been included by mistake. It certainly appears that the proportional voter turnout in the Iraqi elections will far exceed what we have come to expect in the U.S. or Canada. I also think that people who are closer to civil war, and who so recently lived under tyranny, are much less likely to take deomcracy for granted than jaded Kos-Kids and the legions of rock-the-voters who stayed home last election to play Xbox. Those who laugh derisively at the pleasure and pride the Iraqis take in their purple fingers are too cynical to be reasoned with.
46 Sylvia Medford Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 10:25 pm
This is my first foray in Kosdom. All I have to say is those
frat guys at certain Universities are at it again. Tinfoil hats? Nah! This is the best satire going. Bring it on. I haven’t laughed so hard in years. What a great joke! They want us to think that they are serious. Where did they get those great middle school attitudes? What next arm-pit noises. Oh you kids, attempting to make us think that you are adults. Good try.
47 Don Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 10:27 pm
I hate to say I am an old man, but when I read the list I am reminded that I am old enough to remember when liberals were liberal. When being liberal meant having and open mind. When being liberal meant wanting freedom for other people.

I miss the good old days.
48 Aaron Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 10:57 pm
Rick, I concur about #5.

The hardships the Iraqis have endured have given them a great appreciation for the rights they exercised today (or yesterday, by now). I wish that more Americans had the same appreciation for those same rights.
49 Dave Hughes Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 11:22 pm
You poor pathetic bastard. You have my sympathy.
50 4thelittleguy.com » Blog Archive » Progressive reaction to elections in Iraq Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 11:37 pm
[…] Ok…now to my actual post. Decision ‘08 has a great run down of the reactions many progressives had to the elections in Iraq. It’s a toss up as to whether their responses are funny because they are so fanatic or frightening that people are so unreasonably angry, but either way this is definitely a must read. […]
51 Steve Says:
December 15th, 2005 at 11:51 pm
If these liberals controlled our national defense, Uzbekistan could take over the United States!
(Number Three)
52 Trochilus Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 12:13 am
I found a note on PajamasMedia, via a posting on Powerline, from a blogger, A.S. in Najaf, Iraq. He posted this quote:

Mr. Ali Hassoon al-Badri said “everyone must realize that electing our representatives is a basic right for everyone and it is not a gift from anyone and that it draws the line between freedom and tyranny…”

Like Don, I, too, long for the liberal who would have read that and smiled, with his lip trembling, and tears welling in his eyes . . . like me.
53 Clint Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 12:21 am
AE-

The ones who still think like that as they get older are indeed scarier every year.

But I can still vaguely remember enjoying flame-wars back when I was much younger… writing shrill screeds against pro-lifers, creationists and the like. Heck, I can even remember in my freshman year of college buying into all of the oppressed-Palestinian rhetoric about Israel. I even happily voted for Clinton, the first time around, satisfied that we would finally have an executive branch without all the lying and corruption. Seriously — I totally believed that.

I suppose that’s not quite to the Kossack level, but when I was in High School I passionately believed that the world would be a better place if we had just occupied all of Central America, the Carribean and Columbia and formed new U.S. states there. Heck, I even thought that a world government under the U.N. would be a good thing.

In conclusion, some of these Kossacks will grow up to be fine, upstanding neo-cons and libertarians, eventually.

(I’m just not constitutionally capable of being that pessimistic about the state of the world on a day when Saddam is on trial while his former victims elect the first legitimate government the Cradle of Civilization has ever known.)
54 Brian the sailor Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 12:36 am
Thanks to the sane folks from both sides of the aisle. Comments sections don’t have to be just throwing dirt back and forth.
I don’t want to live in a country where everyone agrees with me. Civility combined with logic will suffice. Despicable, invented on the spot conspiracy theories just make their arguments look sad.
Just a quick question: How many of the Kos commenters, when confronted with the threat of death…”If you vote, you will DIE” would have the courage to show up and vote anyway?
I’m talking about courageous dissenters who are daring enough to stand up and speak against our fascist leadership (duly elected). When they’re threatened with death by known murders (or the ones we haven’t killed yet) who among them would go out and vote? They’ll cry about pepper spray when they throw rocks and bottles at police officers!
Iraqis are TOLD they will be killed, and yet they show up to vote in numbers that shame us.
This is very bad news for the far left…won’t put a name to a political party because there are sane Democrats.
I thought this was going to be a short comment. Long story made only slightly long…the Iraqis will be just fine.

Okay, I just proof read my post before posting and realized it wasn’t my most eloquent writing. I’m allowed to be flawed. I think you’ll see past my questionable grammar.
55 Karridine Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 12:37 am
I beg to differ… when I was 19, I was in charge of $100,000 worth of signal-gathering equipment, trusted with it atop a mountain… I may have been ignorant of a LOT of things, but I wasn’t ignorant of where that mountain top WAS, on an island 200 meters south of North Korea!

I was 19, gainfully employed, and trusted by America with a Top Secret Cryptological clearance… Oh, and ignorant as I was, I was speaking Korean better than KosKidz speak (and write) English!

And as ignorant as I may have been, even I could see the differences (up close and nasty) between the Democratic Peoples’ Republic of Freedom-Loving Goodness and Light in North Korea, and the Free World!
56 Brian the sailor Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 12:40 am
I meant “murderers”

Told you I’m flawed.
57 midwest mama Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 12:41 am
What always makes me shake my head is that these kossites are so willing to construct all kinds of elaborate, convoluted conspiracy theories rather than just believe the straightforward truth–that the Iranians want democracy and that, since Saddam has been deposed and the terrorists are losing power (thanks to US intervention), they finally have the chance to achieve it. They must really, really want to believe that we are the bad guys. Too bad.
58 stocksthatgoup Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 12:46 am
A Mind is a terrible thing to baste.
59 Daniel Chapman Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 12:50 am
Just so you know, “finalise” is spelled correctly. I think that’s how they spell it in britain, but I’m not sure. You might want to fix that or someone might point out your every typo on a weblog in order to make you look like a loon
60 Terry Gain Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 12:52 am
In the next six months we will reach the point in Iraq that it won’t matter how much sway the leftist moonbats and the clueless MSM have in America (e.g. Wesley Clarke on Fox).

The war will have been won in Iraq and there will be nothing these people can do to defeat America again.
61 knewshound Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 1:08 am
OUTSTANDING

Cross linking to this one

Cheers,

knewshound
62 midwest mama Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 1:08 am
Terry Gain–and the sooner, the better.
63 Mark Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 1:18 am
Thanks, Daniel - that’s not the first time I’ve got tripped up by a British spelling here…
64 Hard Starboard Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 2:57 am
Iraqis Decide 2005

Eleven months ago Iraqis elected a constitutional convention. Two months ago they ratified the resulting democratic constitution. And today, under that constitution they elected a new government of, by, and for the people of Iraq.

From all reports…
65 katzenjammer Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 3:52 am
You conservatives think you’re so smart. And funny too. Well, surprise: as soon as John Kerry gets elected, we’ll be talking impeachment time for Bush because of the miserable failures of his Presidency! Look, it’s very simple, you cannot have fair elections in Iraq until we have them here where our poor people who are mostly colored minorities are only allowed one vote each election and they should have several; they’ve never touched anything in their lives and are forced to loot TV sets in places like New Orleans if you hadn’t noticed. Once our troops surrender, a very patriotic thing to do I might add - surrendering for America, those Iraqis will have the right to be happy. But not before. And if you don’t believe me that this election stinks, just ask the legitimate leadership of Iraq, who we deposed for oil and power and then forced from legitimacy by allowing Iraqi street rabble to commit widespread voting, is democracy really that great? Most Democrats would have to say,”NO!”
66 Jack Deth Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 4:01 am
I thought that Democratic Underground was the absolute bottom of intellectual discourse. It appears that DU is but a primer before sliding into the dregs of Moon Bat Moronic Mendacity that is Kos.

US troops aren’t going to be leaving Iraq any time soon. An American/Coalition presence will be there into the next decade.

The sooner the Left and the rest of the world understands that. The better.

Jack.
67 Jack Deth Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 4:09 am
You have to win back the White House, plus the House and the Senate long before you even contemplate “Impeachment”, katzenjammer.

Somehow, I just don’t see any of those three events evolving into fruition.

Jack.
68 Jeff Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 5:10 am
Jack Deth: are you an optimistic Neocon or a cynical liberal?
Seems to me an extended American/’Coalition’ presence is exactly what we don’t need. And not why the President told us we were going to go to war…oh, wait, that’s because gaining strategic bases was what the war was covertly all about in the first place, not WMDs. Never mind.
69 Jeff Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 5:12 am
Katzenjammer: Kerry is deluding himself if he thinks he has a shot at getting nominated again. Unfortunately, that leaves Hillary…
70 fatman Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 5:29 am
Uh, Jack Deth? I think Katzenjammer was trying to be satirical. (Oh, and say hello to Helen Hunt for me.)
71 Richard Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 7:25 am
30,000 - 100,000 Civilian deaths? Both figures are lies. The 30,000 is a best estimate of total deaths, including terrorists and soldiers. The 100,000 was based on a report that had an error range that gave a figure of 8,000 - 194,000; they just arbitarily chose a middle figure (which itself shows poor maths - they should have chosen about 40,000 as the middle figure, being roughly 5 times the lowest and 1/5th the highest). Their confidence levels mean this report is meaningless. It gets worse when you look at the methodology and realise that they distorted their own techniques in order to get sufficiently large data sets, so completely invalidating the study.

To then use these figure - lower than the average annual death toll due to Iraqi government actions over the period of Ba’athist rule - as an argument against war is ridiculous.
72 War Dog Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 7:59 am
I was a Democrat and considered myself a “liberal” for over 25 years. I spent twenty years in Military Service with side trips to SouthEast Asia during the Vietnam War and the MidEast during Desert Shield/Storm. As I got older, I finally got wiser and realized that the Democratic Party I grew up with in the 60’s and 70’s was not the same one that started to tear itself apart in the 90’s and the past five years. What amazes me even to today is that all the people that consider themselves as “Progressives”, “Clear Thinkers”, “Open Minded”, “Free Thinkers”, “Liberals”, etc., yada, yada, yada are in reality the ones that are the most closed minded. They tolerate no disent from the other side, no free discussions, no points of view other than their own. The ideas that the majority of these people formed in the protest years of the late 60’s/70’s are still the same ideas that they are repeating today. It’s like these people never grew up, and now they are trying to relive their glory days when they protested everything, and forced our government to turn tail and cowardly retreat from SouthEast Asia during the Vietnam War. Now these cowards, appeasers and (Surrender) eletists want to do the same thing to our brave men and women that they did to us Vietnam Veterans during the Vietnam War. They do not have any new ideas, any solutions to the nation’s problems, no programs to fix what’s broken, and all they have on their closed minds is to “Hate President Bush” and his Administration. They have no clue as to the damage they are doing to our nation, to the citizens of Iraq who want freedom, their own nation, and the right to be free and govern themselves, our nation’s resolve to continue the war on terrorism, and finally to our nation’s brave men and women who are willing to put their lives on the line, and give their all so that we can win this war on terrorism, and free the Iraqi people. They were stupid, clueless traitors back then, and they haven’t changed in over 35 years.

Woof!
73 Bubba Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 8:24 am
It’s subtle, but one of the more infuriating implications is #3’s equivocation of the representative republic under the U.S. Constitution and the Baathist dictatorship under Saddam Hussein — that the toppling of one government is apparently morally equivalent to the toppling of the other.

Sick.
74 The Ace Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 8:24 am
Seems to me an extended American/’Coalition’ presence is exactly what we don’t need. And not why the President told us we were going to go to war…oh, wait, that’s because gaining strategic bases was what the war was covertly all about in the first place, not WMDs. Never mind

Is ths supposed to mean something?
Only a complete and utter fool would think we will not keep a military presence in Iraq. Oh wait, I bet you’re one of those “get us off Arab soil because it causes terrorism” types.

Nevermind.
75 Patrick M. Hill Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 9:08 am
Well at least the Kosinators, by declaring 15,000,000 arranged votes, are giving Bush credit for his organizational skills.
76 And Rightly So! » Out of The Mouths of Babes Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 9:09 am
[…] Heh. Decision 08 has a round up of the 10 most (im)mature reactions from the Kos Kids, on the Iraqi elections yesterday. My favorite: Number Five: more iraqis are voting than americans voted in the last pres election […]
77 RMertes Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 9:21 am
to tsmith-ditto
78 Common Sense Political Thought Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 9:48 am
Why do Progressives object to progress?

If the situation in Iraq is stabilized, if we are clearly winning in Iraq by November of 2006 (and we are clearly winning now, but the left won’t admit it and too many elements of the media won’t cover it), a left and Democratic Party which has ba…
79 Jack Deth Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 11:10 am
Hi, fatman:

Helen’s busily climbing the ladder of stardom, but she had to start somewhere.

Thanks, Ace.

Jack.
80 Liberal Larry Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 11:28 am
What exactly are the Iraqi people trying to prove? Don’t they know that by helping Bush perpetuate his election farce, they are only prolonging the occupation? Do they want another 10 years of U.S. troops storming into their homes and mishandling their Qurans? Sometimes I wonder if they get the 700 Club in Bagdhad, because they sure behave like your typical Busheep!
81 Mike Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 11:49 am
Muffin,

The problem is that these people are typical of the Leadership of the Dem party! They’ve hi-jacked a once proud party! A glaring example is how Liberman is Treated! Tho I do not agree with his Liberal, Welfare stance, He is right on with regards to the GWOT and a Staunch Supporter! He tells it like it is and does not Play politics with our Military or the Security of this Country and it’s Peoples! In many respects better than some of the Pubs/RINOS!
82 XTeacher Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 12:45 pm
Exactly, Liberal Larry. Look at what democracy has done for the U.S. — our people have been duped into electing the incorrect choice for president for two elections in a row PLUS they have elected enough incorrect candidates to give control of the House and Senate to the evil, corrupt Republicans (I know they’re evil and corrupt b/c Pelosi has told us so).

Remember what Orwell wrote, and I paraphrase — we’d love to give the people of Iraq the right to make their own choices in terms of government, but they might make the WRONG choices, and we can’t have that, can we? Really, they’re such children. . . .
83 SoCalPundit » Liberal Blogs Choose Silence On Iraq Elections Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 1:52 pm
[…] Wow. Check it all out here. […]
84 Kathy from Austin Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 2:24 pm
The really scary part of the KOS Kids’ rants is that they are not some nut job offshoot (well, yes they are) of the Democratic party. Boxer, Kennedy, Kerry and many other of the power brokers in that party embrace these folks, post on the website and, naturally, take their checks. To think that these wackos are not driving part of the Democratic Party’s agenda is just mistaken. They are. Sadly, this country needs a strong two party system as part of our checks and balances. But the notion of these people within spitting distance of the levers of power and with any say over our national security should scare us all. It sure does me.
85 The Strata-Sphere » Blog Archive » Moonbats On Iraq Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 3:13 pm
[…] This is why the liberal/progressive left will never, ever be a political force in the United States again. Great job Mark! This is just theater. All completely meaningless, and woe to the suckers who buy into this BS. […]
86 Trochilus Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 3:25 pm
And speaking of the inability of the Democrats’ inability to reconcile themselves with their nutty KOSsack base, today’s Washington Post story had me a little confused.

Okay, so I thought I got it … Pelosi said Democrats have no position on the battle of Iraq in the War on Terror … especially after Senator Lieberman declared that the President had a plan, and that it was working. Here is what Nancy Pelosi said about the “no” position.

. . .

Uhh huh . . . but, wait . . . She took a position backing Congressman Murtha, who said take all our troops out of Iraq within 6 months, and “redeploy” them in some other country in the Middle East . . . without ever naming that country.

Okay, she has a position, but they don’t. But wait . . .

Oh, I get it. So, they have a strategy . . . they just don’t have a position. Sounds a little like,
“We don’t know what to do, but we definitely know when to do it . . . whatever it turns out to be.”

Okay, now I understand completely…They have a strategy to pull out within two years, and at the right time they’ll have a position. Of course, if you don’t know what your position is, how could you know you’ll have one? And, it makes you wonder … will the “right time” be the right time for the country, or . . .?

Anyway, all that explains why the Republicans are putting up a resolution today

Boy, those Republicans are taking a big fat chance! Suppose the Democrats stick to their declared strategy and they all vote against this bill?

Heh!
87 reverse_vampyr Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 4:50 pm
Iraq votes, sends message to U.S. Liberals

Still think that what is happening over there is a “lie?” Still think we were wrong to go in there and remove a brutal dictator and liberate millions of Iraqis? Well, maybe you should listen to this: “Anybody who doesn’t appreciate what America has…
88 Professor Blather Says:
December 16th, 2005 at 6:29 pm
I love liberals.

They taste like chicken.
89 Pkarm Says:
December 17th, 2005 at 9:17 pm
Does the left ever get tired of whining and crying or is just a built in function for them?
90 Entil_Zha Says:
December 19th, 2005 at 4:42 am
What drives me nuts is when people think that democracy is a bad thing, that we’re instituting “our” brand of governent over another culture. The problem with that thinking is: no 2 democracies are the same since its shape and demeanor is determined by the culture that democracy represents. Iraq will have a heavily muslim influenced government, and that’s ok by me (it’s better than a despot who murders his own people by the thousands). No two democracies have ever gone to war with one another in the history of the world. Cooler minds DO prevail, at least in a civilized world. Funny how the libs think that the Iraqi’s won’t be able to handle freedom. How racist and condescending. The elections have proven once again the Iraqi’s have shown bravery on a level most of the whining liberals can only dream of. btw, Liberals were saying the same thing about the Japanese after WW2. They were wrong then, and they’re wrong now. This is a great day, not just for the Iraqi’s but for all peace loving folk.
91 ICallMasICM Says:
December 19th, 2005 at 1:12 pm
Those Krazy Kos Kids have a lot of problems expressing themselves with out f this and sh@#^ that.
92 Cato the Elder Says:
December 19th, 2005 at 7:37 pm
What is it with the stupid conservative PC asterisks wherever the Kos Kidz use a swear word?

Anybody here never seen the word “bullsh**” before? Anyone scared of “bad words”?
93 Mark Says:
December 19th, 2005 at 8:20 pm
Cato, it’s quite simple; frequent use of vulgarity is an indication of a small mind - take that sh** somewhere else (my blog, my sensibilities)…
94 Next to Last Samurai Says:
January 2nd, 2006 at 11:57 am
In my experience, anyone who makes a point of describing himself as “progressive” will turn out to be a jerk. It’s the left-wing equivalent of “I’m a Christian! I’m a Christian! I’m a Christian!”
95 The Real Ugly American.com » Blog Archive » How Far Will the Defeatists Go? Says:
January 20th, 2006 at 1:01 pm
[…] My Take On Mark Steyn’s Article The Must Read Piece Of 2006! Syndicate The Site How Far Will the Defeatists Go? Filed by The Ugly American on December 16th, 2005 at 05:24 under We Surrender! Well I may havefound it. I was going to make this mornings post about the twits commenting at The Washington Monthly who can be every bit as vile as the Kos kids (thanks Decision 08 for compiling the top 10). However one of them was good enough to link to this post by Glen Greenwald on his blog Unclaimed Territory. I have intentionally avoided the non sequitors and straw men he raises in his article. […]
96 Daily Inklings » Elections in Iraq Says:
May 14th, 2006 at 12:32 pm
[…] Meanwhile, Decisions ‘08 has the top ten Koz Kids reactions. […]