Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer on CNN

The best bit:

SHAFFER: I was tasked by the Navy to look at bringing back some of the aspects regarding the technology of the Able Danger capability earlier this year. Through our research and coordination with Congress, with Congressman Curt Weldon, we came to find that the information we provided to the 9/11 Commission had never got to the commissioners. Subsequent to that being discovered, Congressman Weldon and his staff did additional research, and we came to find there was a significant amount of information that was totally deleted or not provided to the actual commissioners.

S. O’BRIEN: But the 9/11 commissioners did their report a while back.

SHAFFER: Right.

S. O’BRIEN: I mean, why isn’t this six months ago, even earlier than that? Why now?

SHAFFER: Well, I understand. I can’t address the report, other than I know I provided information to Mr. Zelicow (ph) in Bagram of October of ‘03. That information was significant in the fact that in their 12 August statement, they talk about that he called back immediately, requesting more information. I was asked to talk to him in January of ‘03, where I called his office — I mean January ‘04, where I called his office, and they changed their mind about talking to me. S. O’BRIEN: Well, I’m — forgive me for a moment.

SHAFFER: Go ahead.

S. O’BRIEN: I want to kind of walk through this slowly and clearly.

SHAFFER: Sure.

S. O’BRIEN: You sort of are pointing out that things were mired and bogged down in dates. But when this was not part of the 9/11 Commission’s report, why didn’t you say, “This is ridiculous, I must go public now, because there was a crucial drop in information, someone dropped the ball, I need to tell the American public?” Why not do that?

SHAFFER: Right. There were two reasons.

To be totally honest with you, we believed that there may have been a classified annex. Not being on the commission, not being — not working at that level, I had no way of knowing. I had to believe that there must have been some reason that that information was not provided to the public, either by follow-on information — operations of some sort that related to this or something else.

S. O’BRIEN: OK. That explains it for me, then, at least. You’ve claimed that this is information that you had about a terrorist a full year before 9/11.

SHAFFER: Right.

S. O’BRIEN: Mohamed Atta, who was obviously part of this team of hijackers. Where did this information that he was a terrorist linked to al Qaeda, where did this come from that you had that nobody else in the security branch, as far as we can tell, had that information?

SHAFFER: I didn’t have the information. I was part of the task force which supported Able Danger.

What I did was I married the land information warfare activity, LIMA, at Fort Belvoir, Virginia, an Army unit, Army capability, to the special operations command for the purposes of this exercise, this targeting exercise of al Qaeda. What the LIWA did — and it was their ability to go through massive amounts of open-source data, 2.5 terabytes, and look for patterns that related to previously-known terrorists. It was that information then which popped up…

S. O’BRIEN: So, by trolling the Internet and LexusNexus, things like that, I think that’s what you mean by open source data? Am I right about that?

SHAFFER: Open source — anything that’s not a classified database. We’re talking about commercial databases, financial databases. Anything that’s out there that relates to the real world.

And let me be specific on this. S. O’BRIEN: And his name pops up?

SHAFFER: Well, yes, because terrorists live in the real world. As we recognize from the London bombings, there’s a picture of the terrorist in a whitewater rafting trip. They live in the real world just like we do. They plan in the real world.

S. O’BRIEN: What were those documents that — give me a sense of what kinds of documents targeted Mohamed Atta a year before 9/11 as a potential terrorist.

SHAFFER: For a couple of different reasons, I’m not going — I’m not going to get into very specifics for this, because, again, we’re trying to figure out a way that we can continue to do this. And I don’t want to give away anything that someone can use against us.

S. O’BRIEN: But it’s open sourcing, right? I mean, so it would be available to anyone.

SHAFFER: The sourcing, I’ve covered the sourcing, which is essentially open source. Now, how we arrayed that and how we use the technology — you know, first off, I’m not the technician. I’m an intelligence officer relating to human intelligence. I was one of the folks who was the — one of the managers in the process.

What the process actually did, though, was take this information, using advanced algorithms, looking for patterns, and it popped up this information based on all the information that was available on the open source — out of open source systems on these individuals.

Hat tip to Jim Geraghty

4 comments to Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer on CNN

  • jp

    Hey there,
    I am getting the wonderful feeling that the strategery coming out of the Crawford White House is to go on the offensive against the 9/11 commission, anti-war democrats and people who dont believe the link between iraq and al qaeda. I bet you we will be shown lots of very interesting information, including Clinton’s failure to fight and target Bin Laden when he had the chance in Sudan, “the Wall” – jamie Gorelick failure, and more links including the Prague meeting between saddams people and al qaeda.
    Just a hunch, but these details all dripping out now are very enticing.
    cheers
    jp

  • JP,

    You are not the only one who is beginnig to wonder along those lines.

  • algiga

    Right jp.
    Of course it could also be to take the Sheehan phenomenon off the front pages, distract people from the falling popularity of Bush and the war, etc etc

  • megapotamus

    Well, we shall see. The ties between Saddam and AQ/Islamoterror are many, sound and various. It is quite mysterious why the WH has not been on that facet but, hey, they have strategery in mind, I hope. A push-back on that idiotic Commish is absolutely necessary though. The Gorelick conflict is the most glaring problem even before Able Danger and must be addressed. Maybe they thought they could just ride it out. If they are truly engaging the image war on the homefront all I can say is, it’s about damn time.

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