Weekly Jackass Number Twenty: Markos Moulitsas Zuniga
This week’s honoree is, of course, better known as the Daily Kos. I’ve held off on Markos for quite a while as I pondered how to handle him. With some honorees, you just quote a few things they’ve written, and basically just let them hang themselves with their own rope. Markos, though, deserves a more nuanced approach.
Oh, sure, it would be easy to just go after his incomprehensibly vile comment after four U.S. citizens were killed horribly in Fallujah (‘I feel nothing. Screw them.’), and search out other obscene pronouncements. (Markos, when faced with a huge backlash, and a flood of advertising revenue loss, attempted to backtrack without apologizing, by essentially saying he was a liar, then bizarrely, bragging about how he took our best shot and was still standing.)
And there are other obscence pronouncements. Oh, are there ever…obscene in mindset, message, and presentation. This is the heart of my indictment against Markos. Ted Rall, a few months back, challenged the rightwing bloggers to ‘prove’ that liberals were as hate-filled as conservatives (a ridiculous challenge, yes, but one that was easily met). I knew I would be able to call Rall’s bluff in a heartbeat, and I knew just where to go – to the good ol’ Daily Kos. I wasn’t disappointed.
Many would defend Markos against this charge, by saying that he isn’t responsible for what kind of trash his commenters post. Wrong, wrong, and wrong again. First of all, all bloggers have a responsibility for everything that appears on their blogs. That doesn’t mean they own the comments, but it does mean they are responsible for monitoring them, and removing anything that crosses the line. It is up to the bloggers themselves to determine where that line is, and what constitutes crossing it…but by leaving something posted on your blog, that you yourself are responsible for publishing, you indicate at the very least a belief that the comment isn’t heinous enough to warrant removal. (This isn’t censorship, by the way, and if you think it is, you need to educate yourself on the term).
What goes on at the Daily Kos, though, goes beyond offensive comments. First of all, to post a comment, you must register. That’s layer of tacit approval one. Then, you are allowed to post ‘diaries’ (tacit approval layer two), which other members of the community vote on (tacit approval layer three). The highest-rated diaries are ‘recommended’ (layer four), and, at Markos’s discretion, sometime promoted to the entry page (layer five). If you still insist on saying Markos is not responsible, than it’s hard to comprehend your definition of responsibility.
I’m not going to waste time hunting down examples of the foul level of discourse that is often found in these diaries and comments…if you doubt that it exists, just pay the site a visit…if you don’t find something offensive in three minutes, you aren’t looking hard enough. Instead, I’d like to close by paying tribute to some of the things our honoree does right.
Markos served his nation in the military. He has two bachelor degrees, a J.D., and a very successful website. In fact, The Daily Kos is consistently the highest trafficked political blog, right or left. He has a genuinely innovative site setup, and fosters a real sense of community among his ‘followers’. He has quite a bit of fundraising prowess, and his own consulting business (that’s a subject for another time). All the more’s the pity, then, that he allows all of this influence to be subsumed by a reputation for hate. And that, Markos, is why you are this week’s honoree.
UPDATE 1:45 p.m. central: It’s always a treat to get a link from the great Tim Blair…look around and enjoy yourself, folks…I’m off to a wedding…

…but Jojo, and Sam, isn’t Markos responsible for the ‘overall’ tone of the Daily Kos, which is most assuredly brutishly nasty…I mean, there must be a reason it’s his place and not someplace else…just a thought…
Ahh…see, I learned something new today…
Another followup comment: I’ve been thinking about what Sam said above, and wondering if I’m being unrealistic…but I think not…there HAS to be a way to foster real, substantive debate from a large number of commenters without becoming known as THE source of vile political commentary on the web, which I believe the Daily Kos, along with the Democratic Underground (which, by the way, has been doing a much better job of cleaning up the level of discourse found there), is best known for.
I think Markos is only responsible for comments he writes himself, or for diary posts that reach ‘level five’, i.e. the ones that are promoted to the front page. I don’t think he is responsible for others’ comments, as the software he uses has a mass-moderating system like Slashdot to take care of that.
I think he suffers the same problem that most political blogs do, conservative or liberal: reports of people on ‘your side’ doing bad things are treated as overblown exaggerations, whilst reports of people on ‘the other side’ doing bad things are treated as 100% proven fact and the worst thing to happen to the world ever.
Jojo, I must confess my ignorance of Slashdot and other mass-moderating systems…but thanks for the tip, I’ll educate myself on them ASAP. Have a good one!
Re: the comments – just to play the devil’s advocate for a moment, LGF’s comments quite often degenerate into a complete Nuke Mecca mosh pit.
Registering is also used on LGF, and it seems to be more of a measure against spam than anything else.
Pointing out certain comments on the front page is also done at LGF.
If you look at the sheer amount of commenters on both Kos and LGF, policing them becomes close to impossible. Attacking Zuniga because of what his commenters say seems as specious as attacking Charles Johnson for the Nuke Mecca crowd.
‘Screw them’ is quite sufficient.
Sam, perhaps I underestimate the difficulty because of the sheer volume…at the very, very least, couldn’t Markos, with this good blogging income, put in a software filter to at least, for example, reject the ‘f’ word? People who have to frequently resort to profanity to make their arguments are like comics who do the same – it’s a cover for the emptiness behind it.
The Slashdot moderating system: readers rate comments 1-5, and each reader can set which comments they read (e.g. only ones with an average score of 4 or above). It works reasonably well on Slashdot, not so well on DailyKos.
I agree that Markos has a very combative style (as one would expect from an ex-Deaniac), and is partially responsible for the comments of his readers, but I think he’s made so many dumb statements on his own that it’s unnecessary to nail him for others’ comments